Fast forward a few years and deJavu. I called Virgin to ask them when my wife's mobile phone contract ended and guess what, they said they could not provide me with the date because they didn't have it. That detail was with another department and I had to call a 1300 number. I sent back an email telling them it was BS and proceeded to call the number. After waiting for 30 minutes (which is good for Virgin, I've known people who have waited for more than 4 hours) this loser answered the phone and proceeded to ask me so many questions around why I wanted to know the expiry date of the contract. I proceeded to tell her that I ask the questions and her job was to answer them and not the other way round and pleaded with her not to waste both out times and give me the date immediately so we could both get on with our lives. FINALLY, I got the date and it happened that it expired in August, so it was out of contract and I could finally leave the sorry excuse of a Telco. The disgusting way in which they gave me the run around and their strategy to try to keep customers who so obviously want to leave is shocking in the least. This made my decision to leave so much easier.
I was then curious to know if I was one of only a few who had continuous problems with Virgin and decided to troll the net to see what other people thought of Virgin, it's products and it's service and it turned out that the loathing for Virgin was more pronounced, intense and widespread than I had expected.
See below some comments from people about their experiences with Virgin (I've only posted a fraction of the comments as there were pages and pages of negative comments, more pages than would fill ten books of "War and Peace"):
ShaktiPosted: 12/01/2011
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
for all the comments re the TIO and virgin i actually took them to the TIO and won - none of the telcos want to pay the exhorbitant costs once the complaint goes to stream 2 which i think is about 10 days after the original lodging of the claim number from the TIO with the telco - i went to vodafone - it was worse but upfront said that if they didn't agree to release me if the service was crap i would take them to the TIO also - they agreed to release and were great - i am actually back with virgin on my iphone - yeah its mostly up and down the phone service - and i am now friends with the guy i made the original complaint with and virgin - but in the last few days in sydney the mobile broadband is down to GPRS speeds and it is horrendous - i spoke to someone at a apple mac store today about it while i was in there and they said that both voda and virgin have too many customers for the towers to handle these days - so until the upgrades happen to the towers we are all pretty well much screwed -stay with the TIO anytime i say TIO to any telco they take me more seriously -
happy new year everyone
happy new year everyone
LoriPosted: 11/01/2011
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
Pure & simple, Virgin wireless home broadband sucks!!
I have been with them for 3yrs (god knows why I didn't leave as soon as contract ended) & am now VERY CAREFULLY assessing alternatives. Been through weeks worth of outages and helpdesk calls, promises never kept, replacement modems, hours of wasted time & through it all crappy intermittent Internet connectivity. I'm leaving & strongly advise consumers avoid this ISP!
I have been with them for 3yrs (god knows why I didn't leave as soon as contract ended) & am now VERY CAREFULLY assessing alternatives. Been through weeks worth of outages and helpdesk calls, promises never kept, replacement modems, hours of wasted time & through it all crappy intermittent Internet connectivity. I'm leaving & strongly advise consumers avoid this ISP!
wombatPosted: 09/01/2011
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
If you want to reach the Help Desk at VB, go to the Sales or Accounts Desk then ask them to transfer you to the Help Desk. My PB was a 4 1/2 hour wait for the Help Desk - and they can never help you. The product is really just pure shyte. Two tin cans and a length of string will do a better job.
I will never buy a Virgin brand product (including flying) again.
I will never buy a Virgin brand product (including flying) again.
AnonymousPosted: 06/01/2011
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
Virgin mobile boardband is bs, there's a reason why Optus sells mobile boardband service for virgin, because both Virgin and Optus gives out shady products
PhilipPosted: 04/01/2011
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
I bought a Virgin Mobile WiFi modem E5832 last month which never worked.The software itself is not getting installed properly.Wasted my time and money on talking to the customer support.It is the worst provider I have ever come across.I will never recommend this.I am quite happy with Vodafone now.I wonder how such a company is surviving in a country like Australia
mikeiPosted: 14/12/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
Why is this company called 'Virgin' when it has been SCREWING it's customers OVER ALL THESE MANY YEARS?!?!
rockyRoadPosted: 15/11/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
Virgin mobile broadband is a crock!
How can they sell such a dodgy product. Persistent drop outs and go slows. Problems then reconnecting...
What a friggin JOKE!!!
How can they sell such a dodgy product. Persistent drop outs and go slows. Problems then reconnecting...
What a friggin JOKE!!!
malcolmPosted: 02/11/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
virgin is a joke!
my mobile broadband was great!
for about a year... now is trash
no reception then full reception
but still no speed!
definatly going to a new provider.
virgin will be getting no more money off me :)
my mobile broadband was great!
for about a year... now is trash
no reception then full reception
but still no speed!
definatly going to a new provider.
virgin will be getting no more money off me :)
sarahPosted: 26/10/2010
Do NOT use Virgin
This company is the WORST!1. Bought the MiFi and the device never worked.
2. Paid $40 for the monthly service and obviously never had service
3. I called right away, they told me they'd fix the problem. I do not exaggerate. I called at least 9 times and they kept telling me "turn it off and on", "take the battery off and restart your computer", etc. Had me at least 40 minutes on the phone each time and every time I called I had to explain the same thing all over again because there was no record of my problem on their system in spite they always told me they were conducting an "investigation" on my situation.
4. They finally told me they'd reimburse me the $40 for the service and would send me a new device.
5. I received an email saying my new device had been shipped by Fedex overnight.
6. 5 days later, when I had not received the package, I called Fedex and they told me that they had never picked up that package from Virgin and it had never been shipped even though a tracking number had been assigned to it by the company (Virgin) shipping center.
7. I called three times more to find out and they kept telling me it was on queue to be shipped but Fedex had not been over to pick up packages.
8. 13 days later I finally called again. There was no record of anything. I requested my refund again ($40) and said I did not want the new device anymore, to send me a refund for it ($150). They said they just had to start yet another investigation and to call them back 72 hours later to find out what had happened.
9. 10 days later nothing had happened. I called again and they just said "we apologize for the inconvenience. We'll write another ticket to investigate what happened to your claim and will let headquarters know you have still not received anything."
10. It's been another week and nothing has happened yet but at this point, should I keep the faith?
On top of all this, the communication is horrible... it's like talking on the phone with someone with very bad reception. And this is a cellphone company too?
HORRIBLE. Will NEVER get anything from Virgin or recommend this company. It sounds to me like a scam.
2. Paid $40 for the monthly service and obviously never had service
3. I called right away, they told me they'd fix the problem. I do not exaggerate. I called at least 9 times and they kept telling me "turn it off and on", "take the battery off and restart your computer", etc. Had me at least 40 minutes on the phone each time and every time I called I had to explain the same thing all over again because there was no record of my problem on their system in spite they always told me they were conducting an "investigation" on my situation.
4. They finally told me they'd reimburse me the $40 for the service and would send me a new device.
5. I received an email saying my new device had been shipped by Fedex overnight.
6. 5 days later, when I had not received the package, I called Fedex and they told me that they had never picked up that package from Virgin and it had never been shipped even though a tracking number had been assigned to it by the company (Virgin) shipping center.
7. I called three times more to find out and they kept telling me it was on queue to be shipped but Fedex had not been over to pick up packages.
8. 13 days later I finally called again. There was no record of anything. I requested my refund again ($40) and said I did not want the new device anymore, to send me a refund for it ($150). They said they just had to start yet another investigation and to call them back 72 hours later to find out what had happened.
9. 10 days later nothing had happened. I called again and they just said "we apologize for the inconvenience. We'll write another ticket to investigate what happened to your claim and will let headquarters know you have still not received anything."
10. It's been another week and nothing has happened yet but at this point, should I keep the faith?
On top of all this, the communication is horrible... it's like talking on the phone with someone with very bad reception. And this is a cellphone company too?
HORRIBLE. Will NEVER get anything from Virgin or recommend this company. It sounds to me like a scam.
CD ParkinPosted: 21/09/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
Glad to hear that I am not the only one who has been treated with contempt by this company.Will never use Virgin for anything again as long as I live. I cancelled Virgin and signed up with Vodafone mobile broadband instead, only to find them twice as bad as Virgin.
If you try to ring them you get a voice activated menu that's impossible to navigate through, you get put on hold for over an hour and the staff in the shops can't help you.
And they overcharge on your bill and then cut your service off when you won't pay it.
Just thought I would warn you about this. Don't touch Vodafone with a ten foot pole !!!
(And which phone/data compoany is any better? NMOne that I've discovered. -PZ)
If you try to ring them you get a voice activated menu that's impossible to navigate through, you get put on hold for over an hour and the staff in the shops can't help you.
And they overcharge on your bill and then cut your service off when you won't pay it.
Just thought I would warn you about this. Don't touch Vodafone with a ten foot pole !!!
(And which phone/data compoany is any better? NMOne that I've discovered. -PZ)
DLPosted: 27/08/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
Yes, they raised their prices right when I went to renew the service after I paid $80 for the device. The customer service was the worst I have EVER encountered. Try another service.
Stephanie V.Posted: 26/08/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
I LOVE virgin mobile They have saved me and my husband over $800 dollars this year ALONE! It's not always the fastest but it's idiot proof lol And I love it! Would recommend it to ANYONE. I do online marketing and it's AWESOME.
RichardPosted: 11/08/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
I can't talk about their USB modems and coverage but as for the home phone/internet bundle I have no real complaints. Initially there were issues like Happy Ending and Another Sucker had but after updating the modems firmware the problem disappeared.
I have experienced long waiting times when I have had need to call them but what Telco hasn't?
I have experienced long waiting times when I have had need to call them but what Telco hasn't?
Happy endingPosted: 11/08/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
I rang and complained twice regarding the constant drop-outs, but the third call I asked to be released from the contract, which they did without a problem.(Thanks. That's a good tip. -PZ)
Another sucker with virgin broadbandPosted: 07/08/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
I can not even stay connected for an hour without a drop out - making online gaming impossible, and the chance of downloading anything at virgins slow speeds near immpossible. Eighty percent of the time my speed is less than 5k.
Avoid virgin broad band if you want service or quality.
Avoid virgin broad band if you want service or quality.
Mick SpencePosted: 06/07/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
I was one of the wankers silly enough to go to virgin broadband, I had acceptable service until someone accessed my account and I made a complaint. The Saturday after the complaint was made modem just went dead, does anyone one know if this modem can be tested to see if it was disabled by the company!! When I rang virgin it said that they would send me out a usb modem and I would have to find another telco for my phone. I still 5 months to run on the contract. I complained to the TIO and that was like talking to a brick wall.(Give the TIO another go. -PZ)
Karen ElphinstonePosted: 24/05/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
I am on a contract with my mobile and internet combined and thats ok but if anyone is considering virgin, then think again. My daughter and myself both have wireless broadband and if we are lucky enough to get each night, then it takes us 15 to 20 minutes to get onto a site..msn..dont even think about it, its impossible to sign in and then if we are lucky enough to get onto a site, we find it will boot us off every few minutes, we dont have a choice but to shut our laptops down. Best time is first thing every morning...night time, don't think about it. Virgin totally sucks!
Malcolm TaylorPosted: 10/05/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
Virgin Broad band customer service is terrible was advised we could couple our 2 computers to it wern't told we needed wireles modems and our computers are too old anyway ordered the wifi paid up front just received it and dicovered all the problems rang technical support after pressing 6 buttons I think ended up in the wrong area took 15 minutes to get through to teck support no help at all could hardly understand them just told me to log on to virgin mobile broadband kept going away for more information denied access to superviser.Transfered to customer support anouther 10 minutes told definately no use to us will send out satchel to pick pick it up.If you are thinking of Virgin Don't
Rob VettorPosted: 28/04/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
Virgin Mobile Boradband absolutely sucks. Application screens do not work correctly. The IVR (Phone System) is an absolute piece of crap and the customer service is absolutlely horrible.Do not even think about using these people.
Mark LattawayPosted: 22/04/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
Ok, back from yesterdays post. Tonight is the last night on this months plan, tomorrow we start a fresh, so like every end of the month i download all my shows through torrents to use up the remaining amount of data i have left. I have saved a couple of pictures from my usage window Virgin gives you.When you click on the link below you'll see that i have circled a few areas.
Red = Same Same... join 1 red circle with the next.
Green = Time from when the first picture was taken to when the next picture was taken.
Pink = Data usage from one picture to the next.
Yellow = .... when Virgin cuts my bandwidth for going over the 5GB for the month period :(((((
Green Circle =
1st Pic = 1:54:12
2nd Pic = 2:04:36
Diff = 0:10:24
Data Downloaded
1st Pic = 451.48MB
2nd Pic = 675.58MB
Diff = 224.10MB
(over a 0:10:24 period) thats approx 1.2GB an hr!
I have been downloading for the past 40minutes, i only caught the last 20mins you might say (from the start of the 1st picture to the yellow circle.
Once again i state from my previous posts... these types of download speeds are only in the last 4-5days of the plan i've found.
Cheers Mark
http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss99/roamin_oz/Virgin/VirginUsage2.png
Red = Same Same... join 1 red circle with the next.
Green = Time from when the first picture was taken to when the next picture was taken.
Pink = Data usage from one picture to the next.
Yellow = .... when Virgin cuts my bandwidth for going over the 5GB for the month period :(((((
Green Circle =
1st Pic = 1:54:12
2nd Pic = 2:04:36
Diff = 0:10:24
Data Downloaded
1st Pic = 451.48MB
2nd Pic = 675.58MB
Diff = 224.10MB
(over a 0:10:24 period) thats approx 1.2GB an hr!
I have been downloading for the past 40minutes, i only caught the last 20mins you might say (from the start of the 1st picture to the yellow circle.
Once again i state from my previous posts... these types of download speeds are only in the last 4-5days of the plan i've found.
Cheers Mark
http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss99/roamin_oz/Virgin/VirginUsage2.png
Mark LattawayPosted: 21/04/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
Well i'm back from a 5 month absence and once again i can't help but have excellent coverage from Virgin, honestly i have only 1 complain with this crowd. That is, the coverage in New Farm Brisbane is crap still, but apart from that 10/10. In my last post i talked about maybe if i had the ariel it might improve it, well the ariel did nothing, wasted 30buxs but oh well.I don't know if there are others that are on the plan I'm on but from next month an extra 1GB is allocated to my usage, so it will now be 6GB for $34. Man that is cheap as for wireless.
Seriously, i don't know why these people are having so much trouble, guess i'm glad i'm in my shoes and not theirs?
Cheers Mark
Seriously, i don't know why these people are having so much trouble, guess i'm glad i'm in my shoes and not theirs?
Cheers Mark
Kelly HarveyPosted: 14/04/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
I have to agree whole-heartedly with the negative sentiments on this forum. And let me add that I am a long time, loyal Virgin follower; mobile, credit cards, airline and my partner even worked for them in the UK, BUT I do NOT recommend their mobile broadband service - dial up would be better. I am on the $34 a month, 5GB deal and despite my best intentions, couldn't use that if I tried cause the connection is so useless. I get between 0-3kbps in both Sydney (Randwick) and Brisbane (Newmarket). The service frequently drops out and is very frustrating to use.In their defense, it is certainly very handy to have the internet by just plugging in a USB, but the speed is disgustingly slow.
I never write blogs but I feel strongly about the poor quality of this product and wish someone had warned me. Sorry Virgin, you've lost my support on this one.
I never write blogs but I feel strongly about the poor quality of this product and wish someone had warned me. Sorry Virgin, you've lost my support on this one.
SimonPosted: 22/03/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
Thanks everyone for the great advice. My two year contract with 3 has just ended and I'm looking for a new mobile broadband provider. Thanks to this site, I'll avoid Virgin/Optus and their resellers at all costs. Any point looking at Vodafone or should I stick with 3 (which has been pretty good for a while now). Thanks guys.
Grumpy Broad Band userPosted: 24/02/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
Virgin Broad band are terriable. Thier customer service lied to me about porting my home number, the service sucks, I;m lucky to have a night on internet access that doesnt drop out every 20-40 times over 4 hours, support line feeds you bullshit.
I activaily suggest to everyone who asks to avoid Virgin.
I activaily suggest to everyone who asks to avoid Virgin.
Matthew BiggPosted: 12/02/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
I was considering purchasing, VMB but am very glad I stumbled across this page.
Nigel PayPosted: 10/02/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
Just to give an update - it is now a over a month since I let Virgin know of my problem and two months since anyone from another network has been able to phone me. Virgin promised to waiver the monthly fee until it was fixed. I checked my bank statement today and surprise surprise the debit has been made. Needless to say it is with the TIO. Lets hope they have more luck than me!
Older PersonPosted: 18/01/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
I susoect this is Optus under another clothing. Correct?
thommoPosted: 17/01/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
this is ridiculus third time ive tried to write this using virgin broadband and yet they make it hard to even have a winge about them as I have had problems since day one reguarding falsely advertised prices and the typical constant cut outs as so many people have complained about. i have rang them up and even threatened to complain to the communications onbudsman and yet all i was offered was the advertised price as a one off only if i could prove it, then after i proved it the person that offered me the crummy one off was then uncontactable and ever since i have had problems with the running software and cut outs. something really needs to be done with this crappy service.(TIO. -PZ)
AlpalPosted: 14/01/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
I am at the end of my tether regarding the sub-standard performance of both my Virgin Broadband and Virgin Home Phone.I believe I was amongst the earliest subscribers to Virgin Broadband and have had to deal with an endless list of service difficulties with little help from Virgin Broadband. For about 18 months their "Customer Support" was just not contactable. I have tried on 2 occassions to contact customer support in the last fortnight regarding the unusable broadband service. My broadband service was rendered almost unusable and is still dismal.
My troubles are:
Modem regularly refuses to connect connect to the internet.
The email server is often uncontactable.
The modem often needs to be reset.
Requires multiple attempts to log on to email server.
Requires multiple attempts to obtain a web pages.
Often times out.
Callers often complain my phone didn't ring and went straight to voice mail. When instantly called back again, it would be OK, except it cost them 2 calls.
Last time, it took me 14 attempts for the phone to "ring" customer support (just as well I wasn't needing 000).
Regularly when I call someone I get "Hi this is Virgin Mobile, you cannot call this number, etc."
The list goes on.
I have alway updated my modem, my signal strength is always "Good" and have alway accepted and followed the advise from customer support. Customer support has yet to solved any problem I have had.
I am literally pissed off, and certainly don't want to pay for the service I'm not getting. My personal belief is that their network is now over subscribed and they have not the bandwidth to supply the contracted service. I am literally being charged for a full tank of petrol when the tank is only quater filled. I call it theft. Where is the ACCC?
The conseqential inconvenience has been substantial.
(If you ring the TIO they will give you a hotline number in the telco you are having trouble with. In this case Virgin. I'd be seeking compensation too. -PZ)
My troubles are:
Modem regularly refuses to connect connect to the internet.
The email server is often uncontactable.
The modem often needs to be reset.
Requires multiple attempts to log on to email server.
Requires multiple attempts to obtain a web pages.
Often times out.
Callers often complain my phone didn't ring and went straight to voice mail. When instantly called back again, it would be OK, except it cost them 2 calls.
Last time, it took me 14 attempts for the phone to "ring" customer support (just as well I wasn't needing 000).
Regularly when I call someone I get "Hi this is Virgin Mobile, you cannot call this number, etc."
The list goes on.
I have alway updated my modem, my signal strength is always "Good" and have alway accepted and followed the advise from customer support. Customer support has yet to solved any problem I have had.
I am literally pissed off, and certainly don't want to pay for the service I'm not getting. My personal belief is that their network is now over subscribed and they have not the bandwidth to supply the contracted service. I am literally being charged for a full tank of petrol when the tank is only quater filled. I call it theft. Where is the ACCC?
The conseqential inconvenience has been substantial.
(If you ring the TIO they will give you a hotline number in the telco you are having trouble with. In this case Virgin. I'd be seeking compensation too. -PZ)
Mark ShawPosted: 12/01/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
i havent tried virgin mobile broadband, and i dont think i will because of all the bad rep i hear here. i used iPrimus and sometimes it would drop out in a full coverage area. then i tried vodafone broadband... it is a cheap easy way to get the net as well. you spend $19, thats right. $19 and you get 550 mb of data for the month, but if you really want to test it out, ask to activate the network roaming feature, it works a treat!
expecially in willeton. vodafone rarely works where i am currently staying but telstra is abundant here. so that goes onto "roaming networks" and you still get the same data you paid for. no roaming network fee, no hidden costs to use the network for how long you want. and i believe you can take the dongle over seas as well. this is the best prepaid wireless broadband and i wont be changing any time soon.
expecially in willeton. vodafone rarely works where i am currently staying but telstra is abundant here. so that goes onto "roaming networks" and you still get the same data you paid for. no roaming network fee, no hidden costs to use the network for how long you want. and i believe you can take the dongle over seas as well. this is the best prepaid wireless broadband and i wont be changing any time soon.
Nigel PayPosted: 07/01/2010
re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?
I have been on Broadband at Home for the past two years (yippee out of contract). For the past month (that I know off) the internet works but I cannot receive any phone calls from any other networks apart from Virgin. Thats right - noone can ring me unless they are on the Virgin network. All other callers are told the number is not connected. Virgin have been "looking into it" since early December and each time i ring the Indian call centre I get the same responce - the problem is being looked into...try restarting your modem....aagggghhh!!!!!!!!!!(I hope you're demanding a partial refund then Nigel. I would have said "asking for" but I really mean "demanding". -PZ)
They stated that starting 2-15 they would limit your speed after 5GB a month. BS!! They started limiting me on the 13th. Here's what it's now like. Imaging trying to get a gallon of milk out of a bucket, you pour and it all comes out at once. That would be the equivalant net speed of a cable modem. The speed that I had from Virgin was more like pouring a gallon of milk out of a jug, comes out pretty fast as long as their network isn't down that day. Now my speed is like trying to drink a gallon of milk through a swizzle stick! It's useless. I'm done with them.
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